History Writ in Steel
German Police Markings 1900-1936


L. Donald Maus

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1.      Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. 113-114 – A combination of new information and reconsideration leads me to believe that the Type 3 markings S.D.I, II, III, IV and VI represented the large Schupo commands in Essen, Wuppertal, Düsseldorf, Duisburg-Hamborn and Oberhausen, respectively.  The bases for these identifications are as follows:

a.       S.D.I is convincingly identified in the book as the Schupo command at either Essen or Düsseldorf.  Upon further consideration, I believe it is more likely to be Essen as that city was the location of the headquarters of the police general responsible for the Ruhr region and probably would have been designated by the Roman numeral I.  This is however a tentative identification.

b.      S.D.II is convincingly identified in the book as Wuppertal. 

c.       If S.D.I was Essen, S.D.III would have been Düsseldorf.  This identification must also be considered tentative.

d.      Recent information from Klaus Merzbach has confirmed that S.D.IV was Duisburg-Hamborn (http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=115963).

e.       S.D.VI very probably was Oberhausen.  As indicated in Appendix D, there were five large Schupo commands in the Düsseldorf district.  Four of these are accounted for above, leaving Oberhausen.  Of the three remaining commands, only S.D.VI has recorded property numbers suggestive of a large command (HWIS, Table 7-7).



This leaves the mid-size commands located in Krefeld-Uerdingen and München-Gladbach as S.D.V and VII, although it is not yet possible to say which was which.

 

2.      Chapter 5 – I have identified a previously unrecorded Imperial-era factory-applied police marking K.P.P.Hr.No186. on the lsf of FN Browning serial number 335140 as being from the Königliches Polizei-Präsidium Hannover.  This is the first marking from this police headquarters that I have seen and it is not listed in the book.  The bases for this identification are (a) Hannover had a police presidium in the Imperial era (HWIS, Table 4-1, p. 52) and (b) the pistol is also stamped S.H.61. on the front grip strap by the Schutzpolizei of Hannover.
 
 

3.      Chapter 16, p. 253 – I must change my opinion that the L.K. markings of the Württemberg Landjägerkorps were applied only after WWI, even on those items issued during the Imperial era.  The key evidence is my learning of the existence of Imperial-era police Pickelhauben (spiked helmets) with Württemberg crests and markings such as LK 01 and LK 03 (e.g., http://www.kaisersbunker.com/dunkelblau/helmets/dbh37.htm).  The numbers in these markings indicate the years the helmets were placed in service, as was the practice of the Prussian Landgendarmerie (HWIS Fig. 13-6).  Unlike the Landgendarmerie, the Württemberg Landjägerkorps continued to use the same name and marking after the war.  [Revised 7/7/2010]

 

4.      Chapter 20, p. 319 – Reconsideration of the G.P.Md. and G.P.O. markings in Table 20-1 has led me to believe these are Gemeindepolizei markings and not Grenzpolizei.  Md. very probably stands for Münden and O. may represent Osnabrück.  Both cities were in Hannover province which probably accounts for the similarity of the markings.  The markings more appropriately belong in Chapter 5.

 

5.      Chapter 20, pp. 322-24 – Another of the mysterious K.L.?. markings has been brought to my attention (http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=18859).  It is K.Lj.51. on the spine of a P08 magazine.  This new information leads me to believe there were three variations of markings from this unidentified police unit and that they correlate with the police property numbers.  Unfortunately, I am no closer to an identification of the unit.

a.       The first variation is characterized by a lower-case "j" and no period following the L. Recorded markings with property numbers 17 and 51 exhibit this. 

b.      The second variation employs what appears to be a reversed capital "J" that is stamped slightly lower than the L. The L is followed by a period. This variation is found with property numbers 58, 66, 68 and 80.

c.       The third variation is the same as the second except that the reversed "J" is on the same line as the L. Property numbers 100 and 120 are associated with this variation.
                               


6.     
Chapter 20, Table 20-18 & Fig. 20-22 – Well-known collector and author Jan Balcar of the Czech Republic has presented convincing evidence that the marking ZW/360 and others like it are post-WWII markings of the Austrian customs service (Zollwache).  These markings have been observed on a variety of weapons including P08s, Menz Modell IIs, Mauser HScs, Beretta 35s and U.S. M1 carbines.  http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=11913  [Added 11/5/2009]

7.      Chapter 20, p. 326 – As a result of the recent reporting of FN Browning M1900 serial number 382104 with German safety position labels marked K.G.Ath.No6, I have re-considered the meaning of the similar marking K.G.Sg. No1 on FN Browning M1900 serial number 378067.  The similarity of the markings and the relative closeness of the serial numbers suggest that these pistols belonged to the same police organization.  It seems very likely that the K. stands for Königlich which would indicate a police force of one of the four Imperial-era kingdoms – Prussia, Bavaria, Saxony or Württemberg.  G. typically represents Gendarmerie in Imperial-era markings.  The Imperial-era markings of the Gendarmerien of Prussia (L.G.), Württemberg (L.K. - see 3. above) and Saxony (SÄCHS.GEND.) are established, meaning these must be from the Königlich Gendarmeriekorps of Bavaria.  This military-style force was headquarted in Munich and divided into eight Abteilungen in each of the  Bavarian Landkreise.  These were further organized into Stationen of a few men each throughout the Kreise.  It seems likely that the abbreviations Sg. and Ath. represent two of these stations.  Many small Bavarian towns and villages are candidate locations.  For example, Sg. could represent Schiltberg, Schützing or Schöngeising, to name but a few.  Similarly, Ath. could represent Algerthausen, Atzenhof, Atzhausen, etc., etc.).  It is highly unlikely that the precise locations of these units will ever be establishe.  [Revised 7/25/2010]

8.  Introduction, Chapters 14, 15 and 17 – As a consequence of the posting of a P08 rig with SP.Bn. markings (Schutzpolizei Bremen - HWIS, Chap. 17, pp. 277-82) on the pistol and P.D.BR. on the matching holster, I am now convinced that P.D.BR. and P.D.Br. markings represent Polizeidirektion Bremen and not Polizeidirektion Braunschweig (HWIS, Table 15-5, Fig. 15-11, p. 237).  Details may be found in the forum thread http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=21956.  Furthermore, the P.D.Br. and P.D. markings that I tentatively identified as being from Dresden in Saxony (HWIS, Table 14-4, Figs. 14-17 & -18, pp. 221-4) are almost certainly from the Polizeidirektion Bremen as well.  [Added 3/15/2010]

9. Chapters 16 & 20 –  In Chapter 16 I discuss the police of Baden and note that I have been unable to identify any police markings that can be attributed to these police.  In Chapter 20, pp. 320-21, I discuss four P08s with unidentified markings of the form Ma.xxx. and speculate that they might be from the Prussian administrative district of Marienwerder.  Since then, three additional P08s and one edged sidearm (Seitengewehr) with Ma.xxx. markings have been brought to my attention (http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=22569 ).  The Seitengewehr is particularly meaningful since it is a unique type issued only to the Weimar-era police of Baden.  Comparison of the font style of the Seitengewehr marking with those on P08s shows them to be identical; therefore, the P08s must have been issued to the Baden police.  Almost certainly, the abbreviation Ma. stands for the city of Mannheim, which was the largest city in Baden during the Weimar era.  Table 20-2 more properly belongs in Chapter 16.  [Added 6/2/2010]

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